#3 Responsibility Part 1: Theory of Stupidity

There’s nothing more adulty than talking about responsibility.

As two responsible adults, Iskren and Iliya “cannot imagine being irresponsible”.

In the first part of this duology, they dissect the different types of responsibility from a personal perspective. Some of these are responsibility for: 

• yourself
• your family
• your group of friends
• your work

They also explore what are the triggers of responsibility in one’s life. Is it having a pet? Having a sibling? Getting your first paycheck?

Similar to other episodes, they make use of a non-podcast friendly tool - a graph. 

You can find the graph over here, credited to the book: ‘The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity’.

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Transcript

Iliya: 0:00

Yeah. Okay. I have a very serious topic today Should we start with the podcast? Are you ready? Or do you want some more bloopers?

Iskren: 0:12

I want some more alcohol. You know for the audience - good thing. That podcasts don't have a video component. You'd be disappointed

Intro Music: 0:22

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Iliya: 0:42

Hi everyone. And welcome to this podcast. Now that I've opened myself another bottle, of this exquisite Prosecco, I would like to talk about responsibility now. What I mean by responsibility, there are different types of responsibility, responsibility to yourself, to your family, to a group of friends to work to the planet earth. And I want to talk about. How do you define responsibility? How do you acknowledge that you have to take responsibility in certain occasions and maybe, do you have any special frameworks in which you're using in your daily life to think about responsibility? First of all, responsibility to yourself, is it to yourself for yourself? You're responsible for yourself, but its responsibility to you? I don't know.

Iskren: 1:38

We should ask Julia, our English expert. She's already there. Let's say responsibility for yourself, Look, we have the wild card. I don't speak the language. I can see whatever

Iliya: 1:51

had a friend of mine who would say like, whenever somebody would point out some. Mistake to him in his language and he'll be like, oh, so sorry, man. This is just my fifth language in my foreign language. So sometimes I make these mistakes. I'm really sorry. I'm trying to get better.

Iskren: 2:15

What an [censored]. Iliya: actually to be fair with the guy. He knows Chinese as well. So he's my friend who got married to a Chinese girl and he lives in China. He does speak five languages. I dont know how fluent he is, but always fair enough. Fair enough.

Iliya: 2:32

Okay. So responsibility for yourself. first of all, I would like to ask you, do you feel responsible for yourself? Do you think, everybody should feel responsible for themselves or do you think on the contrary, like this is so. Instinctive in such a reflex that no one even thinks about it.

Iskren: 2:55

Well, you know, being completely unprepared for this topic and this conversation kind of my first reaction is have the responsibility not to become somebody else's responsibility in the sense that I need to keep myself in good health, physically and mentally, and in. Good. fortune, have enough money to support myself, et cetera, so that somebody else doesn't have to take responsibility for me. so in that sense, I kind of seem to have defined taking responsibility of yourself for yourself as, not offloading any responsibility to anybody else, which some people might say is not the right way to think about it because. it kind of drops off human interaction and sharing and supporting each other, but I don't really think so it still allows them, but each person should try to just be as, self-responsible as possible. Just keep yourself healthy, keep yourself in good health.

Iliya: 4:06

Okay. That's definitely helpful. I expected you to say it, that's why podcasting is good for you. You let your feelings, you know, now, on that note, do you think this is something which comes up when you're a teenager or maybe this is the point where you become a person, person, like you develop your personality and you realize that you have to be responsible for yourself for your actions. You know, your school teachers, they're always like, oh, you have to take responsibility for yourself and you can't behave like this. Breakfast teenager. I don't know the thing. This is the turning point

Iskren: 4:47

probably depends a lot on whether you had siblings and stuff. Like, if, you have a. Younger sibling, you probably have to be responsible for them and through that think about being responsible for yourself. Much earlier As to being the younger siblings, we probably became responsible much, much later, probably when youre a teenager. Bu, I can imagine that these kids have to take care of the younger siblings. They become responsible much, much earlier. Boy, let's step back. I want to say for the previous question. What about you? Because it was my view. And you said you were surprised, so what's your view on it?

Iliya: 5:25

Well, my next question for you was going to be does it matter if you have a pet or anything like that? And these two blend very well for me, because when I was young, maybe I was 10 years old or 11. I don't remember. I already had a dog, so I had to walk the dog. I had to feed the dog and I really think this develops this responsibility. that you feel responsible for this creature. And then you become this mother slash father of creature and you become a more responsible adult as a whole, and then these are survival skills, right? Uh, you're responsible for your pet, And then you're responsible for your girlfriend and you're responsible for your friends and then you're responsible for yourself and then responsible for your organization. youre in. And I really think. The sooner you realize this, the more pressure you feel in yourself because you'll become responsible sooner in a way. at the end of the day, everybody becomes responsible for something right. For yourself the least of all. But I think having a pet. really changes the game for many people.

Iskren: 6:39

Yeah. you get a cut and you know, it scratches your face. The reference is that I'm literally bleeding from my face now because of my asshole. cat. anyway, seeing this actually, puts the whole conversation, in this framework with this because before in a very surprising way. So what I'm referring to is this. Very short book called something like theory of stupidity or something like this. I don't particularly remember. And the whole essence of the book is that all, actions, interactions get divided into four categories, kind of this two-by-two table And, the point. Is that interaction, benefits or hurts you and benefits or hurts? The other person, the other party and these are those squares of the two-by-two table. So the claim is that smart people find ways to benefit themselves. And the other party, stupid people find ways to both hurt themselves and the other parties. So it's a lose-lose situation. And then the diagonal elements win-lose or lose-win Are kind of the gray area, you know, you can swindle somebody and you win or they lose, or you can somehow hurt yourself. And, you'll sacrifice yourself and give to the other party which have the kind of more per basis, good or bad. However it is discussion of responsibility. Responsibility when you were listing those different parties in your life, that you're responsible for your pets, your friends, your family, et cetera, seems like we kind of defined these responsibilities, making sure that you're, in the left column of this two-by-two table, meaning that making sure that in any interaction, the other party benefits is not hurt, Where the other party is in one of your circles that you, care about. And then I defined it in the other way that you should be in the first row, which is that you should, not hurt yourself because then you become a responsibility for the others. And so it kind of, if we merge them, we end up in the win-win situation, like in an interaction with your close ones or people that you can claim you take responsibility for. You just want to create only win-win situations where nobody. gets hurt about anything.

Iliya: 9:08

Okay. Just for our listeners, you can find the two-by-two table in the show notes. I've seen this table before we've talked about it before. I didn't expect to bring it up, but I remember that I wasn't completely in sync with it. I found it disturbing in a way that it oversimplifies, many situations in this case, I would agree with you. It's like simple enough for a simple enough question, because we're just beginning the questions now within the yourself and the pets and I would kind of put the younger siblings with the pets. Sorry.

Iskren: 9:53

It's okay. Because we are the younger siblings.

Iliya: 9:55

Okay. So the next one was your family as a whole. What do you think about it? is there a turning point where you believe. It's your responsibility to take care of your parents or because when youre a mother or a father, you're instantly the person who bears the responsibility for the child, right? There's no question about that. There's not a single person who can have an argument against a mother shouldn't take care of a child because whatever. No, no, no, no. A mother should take care of her child. A father should take care of their child. They are responsible for the child being created. And then this is some kind of natural responsibility. And then you have these derivative responsibilities, which are like at some point, the mother and the father, they stopped being responsible for the child in these Western countries. It's usually the day when they become of age. this is a normal way to think about it. It's of course not black and white, but it's kind of it's about that age, right? Or maybe it's some event which triggers maybe going to universities. Isn't it? What do you think about, that?

Iskren: 11:08

Well it's two separate events though, right? Like one is when do the parents stop being responsible for the child? Well, I would say never really, in general, or is it case based? And then the other question is when does the child start assuming responsibility for the parents and. I don't think we can find a very particular answer to this very specific its just part of growing up.

Iliya: 11:37

I completely agree with you. We don't want to be vague. So could you point to a moment in your life when you felt this responsibility to your family? And you're like, I have to. Maybe, I don't know, help my family in this occasion.

Iskren: 11:51

Oh yeah. Like, for me personally, receiving my first paycheck from a job that was like the moment when, well, I guess the whole process of getting my first job and then seeing the first paycheck, et cetera, that was the point of like, okay, so now I have. Some means any means of actually helping, because until then, what do You you can help around the house and stuff, but that's not, it's not the same as money. And then you start work, you start getting paychecks and, and you realize that you can help financially. And also because

Iliya: 12:29

just for our listeners Iskren is not going to say that he was maybe 15 or 16 when he got his first paycheck, When was that?

Iskren: 12:38

I think 16. Yeah.

Iliya: 12:40

Yeah, he got his first job. He was, we were still in high school and he was working. part-time slash full-time. I'm not really sure for his company, but he was doing actual work. It was not this one-time thing. He was actually engaged in a contract that he went on to work for this company for four years.

Iskren: 12:58

Five, I think?

Iliya: 13:00

You were 16 years old when you received your first paycheck. And you're like, okay, now I have this responsibility. Like I'm not only richer that these other children in my school. They'll get zero money, but I'm also responsible.

Iskren: 13:17

See I'm richer than all the kids at school, and I'm the poorest of the adults with like zero savings and the lowest salary with part-time job. But yeah, definitely. There was a grow-up moment. Just, oh, well I can have actual impact. Because I guess, okay. So this is about what you can invest. There's an investment topic in the sense that before you have income, before you have money at your disposal, the only thing you can invest is your time, right? Like your assets are. Retirement, that's it. And your time is quite limited. Like you can only get as much done with only time and that's it. Nothing else. And when you start getting money, this is the qualitative change that now you can invest, not just time, but also money. you know, investing just time is fine. Investing just money is fine and investing both together. It kind of boosts itself even more, if you, want to help in some way, and you put the time and effort to make it nice and you have the money to make it happen, whatever it is, it's just real help. same with charity, you know, this is not obviously helping your family and stuff, but same charity that. If you only have time on your hands, you can help with very kind of small scale where it doesn't devaluate, but you can achieve grand results. With just money. You may or may not be able to, but if you don't put the time in chances are you just get swindled out of your money. And if you put the time to really. Be involved in the process of the charity and the money, then you can have a real big impact. So it's kind of the same, I guess, qualitative change with supporting people on yourself But, now you have time and money.

Iliya: 15:03

So I generally agree with this argument, but it's this economist. I have to come in the conversation and say that your time, becomes much more valuable with your knowledge. Hey youngsters, don't think about dropping out of school to get some money and invest your time and money to achieve great things. Your time is much more valuable if you have accrued some knowledge so that your time becomes much more meaningful. And then this means that your money becomes much more meaningful as well, because you know where to invest it is on. So don't give up on school. Like not everybody's a bill gates.

Iskren: 15:43

I would even say that this is your responsibility because kind of part of the personal responsibility I'm thinking about now is that everybody's responsibilities is to try and unlock their full potential. This is that if I could become the greatest. Violin player ever. And I knew this, but I didn't pursue it. I find it's criminal towards myself, its my responsibility, because then I would have given to the world this amazing violence solo, but you get the point

Iliya: 16:17

strangely specific.

Iskren: 16:18

I can testify. I have never touched a violin in my life. Like physically the object violin.

Iliya: 16:32

this is becoming interesting. I'm going to go on another level. So these were this responsibility so far. I think they were quite mainstream. Let's say. let's talk about responsibility to your group of friends. What I mean is that you have a group of friends and they're like 10 people. Let's say 10 people. It could be five people. It could be four people. Let's go with four. I really like this number. let's go with four. So four people is a very strong party Four people. They could play different games together, two by two, or they could play, like everyone could play for themselves. It's a very good number of people four people. Just think about all the stuff that four people can do together now.

Iskren: 17:21

that there just sounds like we need some 18 red circle. Think of all the things that four people can do together.

Iliya: 17:29

I'm thinking about four guys.

Iskren: 17:31

It doesn't preclude anything.

Iliya: 17:34

I don't want to be discriminated for anything, but usually like all four guys do is not, it's not r-rated. Okay. So we have four people. We can do so many different things together. And then you're one of these four people. Then you'd be on them. You're like, okay, tonight, I can't come with you. I promised, but I can't come. And then it's only three people. And the number of things three out four people can do is significantly lower. This is so bad for the whole evening. So bad for the parties. So bad for anything you're doing together, right? Because four is a good number for stuff to do. And, you have this responsibility in a way, Well, the thing about that, have you ever thought about responsibilities, to your group people group of friends, right?

Iskren: 18:24

Yeah. So especially if you have planned something in particular, Then it's very important not to bail on it. if we're going to, let's say, play this board game that's for precisely six people and you cant reduce the number and you don't show up that's very bad, obviously. in general, I thought about it. on The more kind of abstract sense. for a particular evening, though, for a particular activity, just in general, that, as we've discussed before the group dynamics in all the possible subsets. Change quite drastically. So what I mean is if you have a group of friends ten friends, let's say four, as you said, then there is one -the group of four friends, and then there's four different groups of three friends within it, which is, each one of them is missing. but There are different groups and so on. And so each one of those subgroups has a completely different dynamic, everything. just changes when it's a subset of the whole group. so it could be bad as you're saying, if we want to do something only four people can do, then if somebody doesn't show up, that's always so bad, but I also think it could be very good. So for example, if this group of four people always gathers and it's always done four, okay, they have fun as the four of them, but they have never explored these subgroups of. the three of them hanging out when one of them cant. or like just the two of them hanging out, et cetera. I think what makes a group of friends, but also they're just a group of friends, or any sort of team. Stronger is not just that when all of them are together, they're having fun or succeeding at whatever task they have to perform, et cetera. But that them,

Iliya: 20:23

our task is to play. a game.

Iskren: 20:24

Our task is to have fun. Go robot, army, go have the fun. Achieve! So its very important for a group to achieve this. structure or any subset of it is still strong. if there's group of six friends Is very fun to be with when everybody's present, but if one person is missing, something's always often doesn't quite work. This one, is such an amazing group of friends. I don't know it. Whereas if any combination of people missing and present leads to a different dynamic, but it's still good. That's a good group of friends.

Iliya: 21:04

I completely agree with you. I think many group friends that are good friends, truly good friends. They are defined by this. If you want to have some check on your group friends, just think about and see like if person X missing is our dynamic awkward. Now I have broken up. a thousand relationships.

Iskren: 21:27

This is such dangerous territory because you can literally prefer this exercise. Like just draw on a piece of paper, like the people and think of the subsets. You know, what if Jack and John hangout, but, Johnny's not there. Would it be awkward? And youre definitely going to find out that their connections that just don't exist.

Iliya: 21:50

It's okay guys. So you always have this one person in your group of friends that if it's just the two of you, it doesn't work. Doesn't mean you're not best friends It just means you need a third person to make this dynamic not awkward. Okay. Now what I didn't like about your answer is that you avoided my question.

Iskren: 22:11

I forgot it to be honest.

Iliya: 22:15

I want it to sound dramatic in a way that you avoided it, that you were ignorant about it, but, basically my question was the party member that has to do some other thing. Should he feel bad about not being there should feel responsible about I have to go there because I don't want to make this awkward, or I don't want to break our dynamic in a way. Or I don't want to introduce them to just fret but it may be awkward.

Iskren: 22:48

I think it's very, varied, depending on the case, it depends what we're going to do. If, I know that the others would have mind and if it's a good opportunity to explore this subset of the group of friends without me, I would already feel bad. if I know that everybody's happy to try that.

Iliya: 23:09

Your assumption is that it's wrong. It's a wrong assumption. Everybody would prefer if you were there, if they, wouldn't, why are they your friends? Like if all three other people prefer that you weren't there?

Iskren: 23:21

No, not prefer, but you know, not mind, if they know that I'm busy, for some reason, would they Mind that I'm gone? in some scenarios, if we're going to watch a movie, for example, it doesn't really matter. Right? So if were going to watch a movie.

Iliya: 23:36

You see, the more the merrier, the more the merrier,

Iskren: 23:40

what about a counterexample? We're going to play a board game for precisely four people. This has happened to us. We're playing pandemic legacy. It's an amazing board game. And it's a campaign meaning that. Four people start the game and you have to play a whole bunch of rounds. Like I think between 15okay, Between 12 and 24 rounds. On average, like, 18 rounds and each rounds about an hour. it's a long commitment over many days to finish this game. it's structured in a way that whoever starts the game has to finish the game. So just the four of us started it and we had to finish it. And during that time, imagine we organized some gathering and a fifth friend arrived. what will happen is yeah, we like the person in general. But us four, just want to finish this campaign, want to finish the game, but we cant because a random fifth person appeared. So yeah, it could be the opposite, you know, they could like me general, but not want me there for, some particular reason. And that's fine. It's my responsibility to allow them to enjoy time without me.

Iliya: 24:52

So I get kind of what you mean, you believe that. there shouldn't be any responsibility in the way that we were talking about the faith, the family, yourself, and so on, but the responsibility is a bit different there. So

Iskren: 25:07

I think we should be present if explicitly stated because of some particular event and stuff, but not in general,

Iliya: 25:18

let's move on. The next one was responsibility. to work. this is an important one for everybody who's working. And, you could either be responsible or you could be irresponsible. I can think of many people that are irresponsible at work. They don't want to take responsibility. They don't want to give in work, which is up to the standards that the company wants. You don't feel obliged to do it. You don't feel responsible. But, Usually this is when they don't identify with the company. and so on. So now this is not of interest to me, but what is of interest to me is what makes people feel responsible for their work? It could be the company culture. If everybody else is responsible, youre kind of peer-pressured to being responsible, but it could be the person. or it could be a personality trait, and this is what I believe. Actually, I believe that it's more of a personality trait. You're responsible in general. You've been responsible for many different things. And then you transfer just work thats the idea I was referring to like me being responsible for my pet and then me being responsible for myself at school. And then. University or whatever, and I'm just transferring responsibility to the next big chunk of time that I spent. I can't feel irresponsible for something that is taking so much time from my day and this is why I think, it's the personality trait and youre bringing it to work. Right. Do you agree with this generally?

Iskren: 27:06

Generally. Yes, but there's definitely, scenarios in which it doesn't apply it is said if you're generally a responsible person, but for some reason you don't identify very strongly with your companys Cause if you don't agree with what they do, for example, but what if you had to get some job. Because of the money, but you really don't agree with what they do, what if it's kind of immoral or borderline moral. And then you kind of self-sabotage yourself to not really do an amazing work because you just don't care about it or don't agree with it. So it's possible to not be a part of this. generalization. but overall it makes absolute sense. It's a pretty basic human instinct, tothe bells. the bells. Can you hear the bells again? Its that time of the day[Ads] as creators of this podcast, Iliya and have the responsibility to create quality content for you. Also, we have a responsibility to promote 3veta.com, our product. That's why I'll do my best in the next minute or so to persuade you to spread the word about it, think about the people around yourself, your friends, your family, your coworkers, as a good friend, sibling or colleague. It is your responsibility. To give them good advice and help them improve among them. There certainly are some who could truly benefit from being on 3veta. I think anybody who could get paid for an online meeting, coaches, tutors, consultants, you name it. Even if they're not currently doing it professionally 3veta is the way to get going and turn their knowledge and expertise to their advantage. So now, you know what to do, just let them know about 3veta.com. The important thing iswhat were we talking about.

Iliya: 29:07

Yeah. So we're talking about responsibility for ones work and I'm going to cut to the chase and just make the statement. Which makes me really angry. I'm really angry when people are super uber responsible at work, but they aren't outside of work. So this is something which drives me crazy. so much, I can't stand myself the next day. I'm thinking, why did I flip out so much? And I don't understand it, but it really makes me angry. people being responsible at work, but when they go outside with their friends or their family or anything, they're like, I have no responsibility to these groups of people.

Iskren: 29:54

Oh yeah. I know what you mean. That's very true. That's pretty infuriating. well, I guess, not for The company, but the friends. And there's the other case, if you're responsible with your family and friends, but you're irresponsible at work and that's generally seen as bad because, I guess, we always look from the viewpoint of just the people in other companies, but when people are overly righteous about their work. And they are not very good at human relations. That's just terrible I know. because you know, they can be responsible. This isnt the issue, they can be responsible but they choose not to be, maybe they'll see it as a responsibility. Maybe they can only handle as much responsibility that they dedicated to work. And then they're like, I can't be bothered.

Iliya: 30:39

Don't use the effort because we have cut it because Apples just like, I'm going to cut your *F sentence.

Iskren: 30:46

Can you put a bleep?

Iliya: 30:47

Yes, So much work, man. So you were saying that it's very infuriating precisely because you know, they can do it, but they choose not to do it. And where I was going with this is my theory is people really have this number of credits and they're like, okay. I put all my credits at work and I'm a responsible adult. And all my responsibility credits are assigned to work. So I have no more responsibility grades for my other. life. I think many people think like this. they think I'm going to be extra responsible in the biggest chunk of my life. And then for anything else, let somebody else be responsible, for somebody because responsibility, credits left, right?

Iskren: 31:38

Yeah. I guess I don't know if those people really consider. the, buckets in which you can put your responsibility credits, like, do they see it as, okay. I have the responsibility to family, to friends to work, blah, blah, to myself and they distribute, or do they just see, okay, I have responsibility to family and work, I'll put everything there. And they don't actively choose not to put any responsibility credits in the friendship bucket, or they just. Don't really see that there's a friendship bucket to consider the first place. It's quite interesting how they think about it I don't know because I'm so irresponsible it doesnt really matter.

Iliya: 32:19

Yeah. So about that, I have, I have some examples of you're being irresponsible.

Iskren: 32:25

Oh no This is actually, interrogation.

Iliya: 32:29

yeah. I'm not even recording. Okay. So I told you, I've been thinking about this for so long that. I have all the answers, right. I believe that there is this issue, which arises in most people sometimes in families at work many different places. So there is this thing, which I really don't like it's called shared responsibility. I believe that many of these people that don't assign responsibility credits. to different relationships or different groups of people, different activities usually assume that there is a shared responsibility that nobody's going to notice that I'm not assigning to any friends, right. Its because there's a shared responsibility.

It cannot be: 33:18

I'm not accountable if nobody's responsible. So this is accountability and responsibility they go hand in hand. and usually if there is no carrot and there is no stick, you know, So I'm just not going to be responsible for it because there is no reward, no cost. I think that shared responsibility is the root cause of many of these issues in families. In group of friends. Sometimes at work, not so much at work because at work you're very much accountable for what you do.

Iskren: 33:56

I was actually going to say that, having been involved in. A number of startups in particular. So kind of companies without a very rigorous corporate structure with more flexible responsibility structures. whenever I thought to myself post Factum, okay, why did this thing go wrong? Whenever something goes wrong, small or large, from this tiny. Issue that doesn't actually really matter all the way to the whole company just had to close down. I've gone through both several times. And I think really every time whenever I've analyzed this, why do they happen small or large? I end up at the realization that the core reason that is what I believe it was is that there was ill-defined structure of responsibility, meaning that at some level of the organization. There was a shared responsibility that was nobody's baby. This was nobody's child. and it just kind of fell in the cracks. Nobody really cared about this thing. And whenever I've thought about it, I always reached this conclusion that any time anything ends up badly in all of the projects I've been involved in, it always ends up that it was nobody's. Responsibility in particular like a one person that has to bear the accountability and responsibility for it. So, yeah, whenever I've thought about it, just shared responsibility is the death of all results. It doesn't have to be sometimes, maybe it works out, but whenever there's a failure, I feel like I've always been able to track it down to shared responsibility because people try to do a good job, but when they know they're responsible and accountable for this thing, If it's shared you no longer will do a good job. You may or may not, but it's not. going to

Iliya: 35:53

Yeah. I completely agree with you. And this is something I've been thinking about a lot. Think about feeding the dog. Like somebody has to take responsibility. Nobody you can't have a shared responsibility for feeding the dog. Like there should be one person with feeding the dog, Otherwise they will either never gets fed or he gets fed twice, which is just as bad.

Iskren: 36:18

Interestingly this is the opposite example for our household, with the cat, because the cat doesn't overeat. So we just always make sure there's plenty of food available. and she eats as much as she wants. So for us, shared responsibility actually works out because

Iliya: 36:33

no, it's, not true. It's the cat that is responsible for the food. That's what you've done. You've shifted the responsibility to the cat. And you're like, dont

Iskren: 36:43

yeah. okay. what I mean is like, give, provide, because nobody you cant provide too much because if it stays outside for more than two days, it gets mushy and shes not going to eat it. So you have to replenish every day. Just make sure there's something fresh, that's it, but you're not afraid of overeating, which is the issue with the dog, which makes the problem more complex to solve.

Iliya: 37:07

It's extremely complex. to feed the dog, yeah.

Iskren: 37:10

Its a problem, man.

Iliya: 37:12

Yeah. So we're kind of on the same page about this. So let's move on to something we're not on the same page about, What do you think about that?

Iskren: 37:21

So shared responsibility, BAD. I say its actually a terrible idea And you know, with much shared responsibility. theyre more crazy. shared responsibility it's literally taking the cost of the shared responsibility. and pushing it all the way to the extreme of a whole country or the whole world. Thats just how to get us out. You know, democracy is great, but we just figured out this is a terrible idea. I dont think its extreme?

Iliya: 37:55

No, I disagree with this. A democracy is about having the shared responsibility, but then being able to point the finger at the past government

Iskren: 38:07

Amazing.

Iliya: 38:09

Yeah, everybody's doing it. Hello, dear listener, this is future Iliya recording. First, I want to apologize for the awful, awful sound that I had throughout this episode. Back when we were recording, I was far from the podcasting professional that I am today. Anyways, I just wanted to say that we have decided to split the responsibility topic into two separate, easily digestible episodes. This would make it easier to listen, increase the number of our episodes increase the number of episode downloads overall, create suspense, spark interest, introduce some interconnection between episodes and most of all, make the show kind of bingeable. As you want to hear what's coming next. We had indeed planned to do this. But now that Im making it I felt obliged to explain the reasoning behind it. Thank you for your patience, dear listener. If you want to ensure there will be more of Life Math, please tell two of your friends about this podcast. No need to share it on social media or anything. A private message will be more than enough. Thanks. And I hope you enjoy both episodes.